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\"coke-vending-machine-47815\"<\/a>It is quite popular for animal trainers to claim that they use “scientific” methods. They also like to use the word “evidence-based” which implies that a higher standard of proof was used to find knowledge. Hogwash. It’s actually a cheap attempt to elevate their status and shut up the competition. Nothing more, nothing less. If you doubt the sweeping range of my accusation, let’s look at the real evidence \u2013 evidence that would stand up in a criminal court of law. <\/span><\/p>\n

First, a busted Coke machine can be used to create\u00a0a perfect\u00a0example of what a behavior analyst would call “contingent punishment”.\u00a0 A contingency describes a logical ’cause and effect’ relationship between the environment and a specific behavior. IF you put money in the busted Coke machine, it will eat your money and not give you a Coke. That is likely to cause contingent punishment of the behavior, “Putting money in a Coke machine” Predictably, you will stop putting money in the machine as long as you can identify the contingency through some sense or perception.<\/span><\/p>\n

1) It is THAT Coke machine OVER THERE that ate my money.
\n2) It is the UNLIGHTED Coke machine that ate my money.
\n3) It is the Coke Machine that was HUMMING LOUDLY that ate my money.<\/p>\n

Those qualifiers are examples of your brain trying to find a discrimination that would allow you to find a working Coke machine and avoid similar busted Coke Machines in the future.<\/p>\n

This phenomenon has been described by scientists who use evidence-based rules\u00a0to\u00a0study nature. They create evidence-based ‘findings’.\u00a0As they use scientific methods to discover new truths about behavior, what they say is “what science says.” Here are three examples from Dr. Ron Van Houten, taken from The Effects of Punishment on Human Behavior, Axelrod and Apsche, Academic Press, 1983. (That’s how scientists cite things, by the way. They cite specific references and allow you to check for yourself if they have quoted correctly and if the citation actually would lead a reasonable person to the same conclusion. The above cited book is stuffed with citations from peer-reviewed research and scholarly texts. You don’t have to take my work for it.)<\/p>\n

“Punishment can reduce a behavior’s frequency below its operant level to a zero level of occurrence. If such complete response suppression is produced, it is clear that the behavior will not recover unless a special effort is made to reestablish it.”<\/p>\n

“One possible side effect of punishment is the production of emotional reactions. Several researchers have demonstrated that punishment with electric shock does not produce lasting emotional results. (Hearst, 1965; Hunt & Brady, 1955) Further, as Azrin and Holz (1966) have pointed out, gross observation seems to indicate that no chronic emotional maladjustment is engendered by a child’s having been burned by touching a radiator or having skinned a knew by falling off a bike. It is fortunate that punishment does not produce strong lasting emotional effects under most circumstances since it would be impossible to eliminate punishment from the natural environment.<\/span> (Underline, mine – GW) Although it is true that emotional behaviors are frequently observed following punishment, it is also true that these effects are usually short lived.”<\/span><\/p>\n

“Subsequent research has shown that the conclusions drawn from this early work on punishment were erroneous. For example, the comparison Estes made of contingent and non-contingent shock punishment was restricted to a period of less than an hour. Later studies obtained very similar results during the first hour; however, after that time, the responding recovered substantially during non-contingent punishment but not during immediate punishment (Azrin, 1956). In regard to the question of whether the effects of punishment are permanent, numerous studies have demonstrated that punishment at high intensities can produce complete suppression with no sign of recovery. (Appel, 1961; Azrin, 1956, 1960, Boe & Church, 1967; Masserman, 1946) “<\/span><\/p>\n

The reason I added that last paragraph is because someone claiming to be a scientist said this in 1953: “More recently, the suspicion has also arisen that punishment does not in fact do what it is supposed to do. An immediately effect in reducing a tendency to behave is clear enough, but this may be misleading. The reduction in strength may not be permanent.”\u00a0 (The book containing this quote does not offer citations to validate assertions. You have no way to know any details about the\u00a0 “recent suspicions”) <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Except for that last non-scholarly quote, the first three represent the\u00a0proper way to conduct science. One person observes something and publishes the discovery. Once published, it becomes fair-game for anyone to question. It can be used to validate other research or discredit untrue claims. If you are wondering about the quote that claims that punishment doesn’t work, it came from B.F. Skinner.(Science and Human Behavior, 1953)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Now for our next quote that confirms Van Houten. ““One kind of reinforcing stimulus…apparently produces a decrease in strength of the operant. If pressing the lever is correlated with strong electric shock, for example, it will eventually not be elicited at all.”<\/em> This scientist is saying that if you punish a behavior consistently (contingent continous\u00a0punishment) a behavior goes away and doesn’t come back. (Which removes the need for further punishment. Meaning contingent punishment applied properly is a self-limiting process)<\/p>\n

So, “science” says that a cactus needle, when touched with your finger, stops you from pushing on cactus needles. If all pushes on cactus needles cause you to push on them less often, eventually, you will not push on them at all. I know that contingency \u2013 I live in Arizona. The problem is that the scientist who said the above q\"pricked-finger-and-cactus-spine\"<\/a>uote about punishment stopping behavior was\u2026B.F. Skinner. Behavior or Organisms, 1938.<\/p>\n

OMG. Skinner knew in 1938 that you can stop a behavior with punishment and it won’t come back. 15 years later, he says that “recent suspicions” cast doubt on the effectiveness of punishment. (This statement is completely devoid of citations to tell us what those suspicions were. If you want to know, read Van Houten’s\u00a0reference to Estes, above, and look at Fixed Rate Punishment by Azrin, Holz and Hake, JEAB, 1963. It was the injection of non-contingent shock that made punishment appear to be dysfunctional.)<\/p>\n

Now we finally get to the topic of the post. We have seen “what science says” about how to stop behavior. Now let’s look at the statements of “science-based” trainers and see what we get. Victoria Stillwell, a popular television entertainer\/trainer, says on her website:<\/p>\n

“Scientific studies have shown that the use of confrontational, punitive training techniques on dogs not only does not work long term, but actually exacerbates aggressive response and makes already aggressive dogs even more aggressive. It is a pretty simple concept, but sometimes it can be hard for dog owners to remember that fighting fire with fire usually results in someone getting burned. <\/em><\/span> So modern behavioral science weighed in against compulsion training, but for most of us, it does not take scientific journals to tell us what our instincts have already said: it is more humane to reward than to punish. Many who promote old-school training techniques argue that the punishment they dish out in the form of an electric shock or a swift kick to a dog’s ribs is not particularly damaging. There are indeed varying degrees of punishment, and everyone ultimately must make their own choice regarding how far they are willing to go. But most well-adjusted people would rather avoid doing anything that will make your dog feel pain or fear if they can help it, regardless of how minimal that punishment may be.”<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

In case you haven’t figured it out, science doesn’t actually confirm any of this. Additionally, we see Vicky using a bit of aversive control herself \u2013 a rather interesting irony. She creates a false dichotomy that implies that all aversive control is a swift kick or a shock collar as opposed to treats and affection.\u00a0Meaning she creates an argument based on extremes with no allowance of intelligent moderation. This leads to some obvious questions. Why would I only use one extreme or another? What if I put these extremes in a specific sequence? What if I use a Goldilocks formula of “just right” with either polarity? If the goal is to solve a problem for an animal\u00a0and owner, why would I not use the most effective methods using “just right” reinforcers and punishers?<\/span><\/p>\n

Now we get to her attempt at using punishment to suppress any question of her statements.\u00a0She\u00a0implies that anyone who disagrees with her isn’t a “well-adjusted” person. Therefore “old school” trainers who use punishment are not well-adjusted., but she is.\u00a0Another canard is her\u00a0poke at anything that causes pain and fear, but I’ll bet she has owned dogs that were sexually mutilated at her request, nominally called “spaying and neutering”.\u00a0Sexual mutilation is not required for\u00a0dogs or cats unless some medical malady requires it. Meaning it’s an elective\u00a0mutilation that\u00a0will cause pain and can lead to death. Apparently that potentially fatal practice is ethical but far less invasive punishment to better a dog’s life is not. <\/span><\/p>\n

Question? If pain and fear (regardless of how minimal) cause emotional and behavioral trauma, why doesn’t the pain and fear that accompanies veterinary medicine cause problems? How does the dog know the pain and fear is therapeutic? If it’s connected to spaying and neutering it isn’t therapeutic – it’s done for the convenience and vanity of the owner. If pain and fear are acceptable, temporary side-effects leading to\u00a0medical health, why not mental health? A logical person weighs the result of not providing treatment that will actually fix the problem. To be blunt, how many dogs die because their anti-social behavior wasn’t punished? Lots. They apparently don’t count to “well-adjusted” trainers.<\/p>\n

As for a specific rebuttal,\u00a0no, Victoria, confronting aggression with punishment does not cause more aggression, it stops it. Here’s the citation – Ulrich, Wolfe & Dulaney, Punishment of Shock Induced Aggression<\/em>, JEAB (Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior) 1969. In fact, electric shock can both trigger biting behavior, loosely styled here as “aggression”, and stop it. It can even stop the bugaboo of “rebound aggression”. However, withholding expected positive reinforcement can trigger aggression but can’t stop it. Meaning one strategy is infinitely more logical than the other.<\/p>\n

That’s the real science \u2013 and it mirrors the common understanding of behavior shared by us all. If you wish to stop a bully, you sock him in the nose. \"Bloody_face_shock_by_BlueTigressSto\"<\/a>My sympathy at that point is for the victims of the bullying, rather than lamenting any emotional problems the bully may have. Why is this little girl’s face not important? Why is her emotional stability meaningless. (This is the environmental punishment that Van Houten says is impossible to avoid) If her father did this, he’d go to jail for ten years. If a school bully does it, the bully is immune from any punitive response by the school – it might hurt his fragile psyche if he was punished the way\u00a0he punished a girl like this. \u00a0Ironically,\u00a0until the bully’s\u00a0bullying is stopped, he can’t work on becoming\u00a0\u00a0a “well-adjusted” person and avoid violence in the future.<\/p>\n

When someone attempts to peddle an ideology that denigrates their competition while coercing your into following their beliefs, it is obviously an attempt to use aversive control for personal gain.\u00a0The huge irony of “positive” training is that they tell us that punishment will traumatize dogs and should never be used \u2013 while liberally using it on people to dominate the conversation and make money. Science says that if you use aversive control and it brings you what you want, you’ll do more of it in the future. That is one of the harmful primary effects of\u00a0positive reinforcement, by the way.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

It is quite popular for animal trainers to claim that they use “scientific” methods. They also like to use the word “evidence-based” which implies that a higher standard of proof was used to find knowledge. Hogwash. It’s actually a cheap attempt to elevate their status and shut up the competition. Nothing more, nothing less. If you doubt the sweeping range of my accusation, let’s look at the real evidence \u2013 evidence that would stand up … Continue reading →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"yes","footnotes":""},"categories":[5,2,4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1553","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ethical-issues","category-science-behavior-and-training","category-training"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1553","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1553"}],"version-history":[{"count":24,"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1553\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1597,"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1553\/revisions\/1597"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1553"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1553"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/clickandtreat.com\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1553"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}